dorschel's dreadful difference


Remember my excited post nearly two weeks ago about how we'd ordered our new Scion Xb? I was fully expecting that I'd be posting photos and reviews of it by now, but no. We made the mistake of trusting a car salesman. We've done that before, with our Honda salesperson at John Holtz Honda, and weren't disappointed at all. But Dorschel, which advertises itself with the line "The Dorschel Difference" was indeed different. Just not in a good way.

When we ordered the car, we were told that it was at the Port of New York, and that it would take about a week to get here. A week later, I called and asked about the status and the salesman told me that it would be here "any day." On Wednesday, I stopped in at the Scion dealership and he apologetically said it was now due to arrive in a window between the 20th and the 23rd. Nobody there claimed to be able to tell with any more specificity where the car was--which I find really difficult to believe. These days, with computerized inventory and GPS tracking, you can't tell me that Scion doesn't know exactly where every single one of its cars is.

While I was there, I asked him how long it would take after it arrived on the lot for us to be able to take ownership of the car. "Just a few hours" he told me. When I pressed him on that, asking about things like the options we'd ordered, he assured me that those were pre-installed at the Port, where Scion has a facility for that purpose, and that only cosmetic things like mudflaps (which we hadn't ordered) needed to be done at the dealership.

Since today is the 23rd, Gerald went back down to the dealership to find out where the car was. "Still not here" the manager told him, checking the computer and the paperwork. But another salesman who was on his way out to the back lot said he'd check to see if it had been delivered. And surprise, surprise...there it was! "Just off the truck" they said. Yeah, right. Nobody noticed a delivery truck arriving that morning? I have to wonder how long it had really been sitting there.

So, that meant we got it this afternoon, right? Nope. They said we couldn't get it until Monday, because they hadn't bothered to contact our insurance company and get the paperwork they needed for the plates (they couldn't have done this earlier?). Gerald made an appointment for Monday afternoon, and mentioned to the manager that I'd been on the brink of writing a scathing blog post for a site that has quite a few Rochester readers, but that since they'd given us a firm day and time I probably wouldn't do so (to his credit, the manager seemed to get that this would be a bad thing).

An hour after Gerald got home, I got a call from our salesman, who told me he had some "bad news." Turns out that the car was not delivered with the options we'd paid for (nav system, xm radio, remote start) and that it would all have to be installed here, and that they don't actually have all the parts in stock. As a result, WEDNESDAY would be the earliest we could get it. I lost my temper at that point, told him that this had been the worst car buying experience I'd ever had (which is both true and saying a lot), and handed the phone to Gerald, who was so aggravated by the end of the conversation (in which the only apology he got from the salesperson was "I'm sorry you feel this way") that he got back in our car and headed back to the dealership.

The manager there was apparently very apologetic, took full responsibility, told us we could get our deposit back if we wanted to go elsewhere, and promised to be the only point of contact we'd need to deal with from here on in. But we're still looking at Wednesday as the earliest we'll get the damned car. Because we got our financing through the credit union, and it's tied to the VIN, it will be a huge pain in the ass to redo that for a different car.

You'd think, with all of this, they'd be doing something to make us feel better. Offer us free cargo mats, or a gift certificate for dinner out, or some gesture that recognizes how frustrating and inconvenient this is for us. But no. Just excuses (from the salesman) and head-hanging apologies (from the manager).

Did I mention that we have to turn in our current leased vehicle on Monday, leaving us carless? The manager did offer Gerald a car to drive Monday while we wait, so there is that. One small point in their favor.

So I'm turning to the Internets to vent about this experience. My advice to you? Don't shop at Dorschel. There are two other Toyota/Scion dealerships in Rochester, Hoselton and Vanderstyne, so you could always try them. Or if your heart's not set on a Toyota vehicle, we've had very good experiences with the folks at John Holtz Honda, just down the road from Dorschel.

(In case you're wondering why I'm linking to the dealership above, I'm not. Those are links to the Edmunds and Yelp review pages for Dorschel, where I just reviews. It was the first thing that's really spurred me to sign up for a Yelp account, but I think I'll start populating the Rochester directory with more reviews, including those for places we like. :)


Update, 9/26: You'd think that maybe this post might have spurred an improvement in customer service, right? Hahahahaha. Today the salesman called the house (this after the manager had assured Gerald that he would be our only point of contact from now on), to confirm what options we'd ordered for the car. Why did he need to confirm these with us? Wouldn't you think that he'd still have the paperwork from when we ordered the car? Which you do on the website, with the salesman right there, and which he then prints out and staples to the order? I guess not. Even better, when Gerald said that we'd ordered the remote start the salesman said that was "the first he'd heard about that."

I was already not in the best of moods, having spent the morning running errands instead of getting needed work done, so I pulled into the dealership on my way home and marched in--only to be met with a shit-eating grin from the salesman who wanted to know how he could help me. I told him I wanted to talk to the manager, and he disappeared into the back room for more than five minutes. (On what planet is it a good idea to leave an irate customer stewing alone in the middle of your showroom, getting angrier by the second?) When he reappeared, he told me the manager wasn't in, and wouldn't be available for at least an hour. "So what were you doing back there all that time?" I asked, incredulously. He told me some story about having to wait for another manager to be done talking to a customer before he could find anything out. Then asked if he could help with anything.

I told him that given that he didn't even know what options we'd ordered, it seemed unlikely he could be helpful, and he at that point tried to put all the blame for anything that had gone wrong on another Dorschel salesman we'd included in the deal, a friend of Gerald's and Erin's. I pointed out that he had been the one to assure me that all options would already be installed when the car arrived, and he then had the gall to deny that he'd ever said that. I offered to bring my 11-year-old in, to report on exactly what he had heard that day, and he then told me that he was "sorry that I was confused about what had happened." That's when I lost it, and used some choice language to describe what I thought about his "apology."

Funny...when you start swearing (loudly) in the showroom, managers start popping out of the woodwork. So I ended up telling the whole story, again, to another sales manager. She went and found the car, brought it up front so I could see it was really there, and talked to the garage about whether the parts were in. She claims the installation will happen tomorrow morning, and that we'll have the car by lunchtime. I have meetings from 9-1 and 2-4 tomorrow, which makes it really difficult for me to pick anything up at lunchtime; it will have to wait until late afternoon. (I could cancel the 12-1 meeting, but I'm sure as hell not doing that based on "estimates" by the dealership.)

I do understand that dealerships don't always have control over delivery dates. The lateness is inconvenient, but that's not the real problem here. The real problem is the compulsive lying and evasion and failure to acknowledge any error on their part of the sales staff-- in particular John Marriotti (sp?), the Scion salesman who told us that it was at the port and would be here within a week and would arrive fully configured with all options (and who then denied that and accused me of being "confused"), and the general sales manager, John Anscom, who assured Gerald that he would be our only point of contact moving forward but who still let the Scion salesman call us this morning and deal with me when I came in.


I'm so sorry that you've had such an awful experience with the new car. We've been down that road, though not with that particular dealer. I can tell you though that just about a year ago we had the best car buying experience ever w/Vision Hyundai of Henrietta. My husband initiated the deal via the web, we made one trip to the dealership and we were out of there in about two hours, including dealing with our trade-in. This was a huge deal for us since we drove from the far side of Ithaca to Rochester for this transaction. Just another datapoint on another Rochester dealer that isn't awful.

Liz, you might also want to submit your story to the Consumerist ( which has a large following. The guys there have some good advice on how to escalate these types of problems.

Hi Professor Lawley,

I had a bad experience with that car dealer too, if we have time on Thursday I'll tell you about it. But they at least owe you a free car from their loaner lot for the time you don't have a car because of their mistake. Personally I think they should give you another $2,000 off on top of that just to make sure that you end up being a happy customer. They don't need to work it into the paperwork, they can just send you a check. Cars aren't selling well these days and the last thing dealers need is a bad reputation. Unfortunately you practically need to take them to court to get them to do business properly these days.

Good luck :)



Just wow.

I am particularly stunned at him calling you confused.

And I bought a Scion there - from that salesman I think (J Mareiotti) and while there were a few delays (we were told b/c we wanted a manual transmission and those were few and far between) nothing like your experience.

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Liz, I can feel your frustration. I have had similar experience. Dorschel collision-told my car was ready. Went to pick it up and 3/4 work was not done but this was after I had signed over the insurance check to them. I do feel that the items that were not done were so blante that is it can only be because they thought dealing with a would not matter. Now, I have to go back and have them finish the job that the insurance has already paid for. Very underhanded.. You should as I am going to file a BBB complaint.

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